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Hi Malcolm,<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21.11.2016 23:34, Malcolm Clarke
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:FBB6BBACC666694F892E994A40E2714956C07D48@v-ex10mb3.academic.windsor"
type="cite">
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<p>Dear Klaus</p>
<p>Thank you for your response.<br>
</p>
<p>You have not understood the issue that is being reported. I
have made an effort to examine code to understand, but the
software is complex, with a multiplicity of "methods" to acquire
the directory for the configuration file (eg search for
"HOMEDRIVE").</p>
</blockquote>
I did understand your issue, but I have absolutely no explanation
why it could possibly happen with a properly configured roaming
profile setup.<br>
<br>
VirtualBox doesn't use any environment variables for figuring out
the user's profile directory, it directly asks the Windows API. I
don't think that makes the situation more complex, in my opinion it
makes it a lot simpler. All the fallbacks which you investigated are
simply not relevant (unless you found a way to make the Windows API
fail in extremely weird patterns).<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:FBB6BBACC666694F892E994A40E2714956C07D48@v-ex10mb3.academic.windsor"
type="cite">
<p>I repeat the behaviour. <br>
</p>
<p>Our students are working on machines using roaming profile with
USERPROFILE=c:\user\xxxxxx, HOMEDRIVE=h:, HOMEPATH=\</p>
<p>When the student first uses VirtualBox and opens the manager,
it has a totally empty configuration as expected. The student
then creates some networks and virtual machines. These machines
work correctly when started.</p>
<p>The student exits the manager.</p>
<p>The student restarts the manager but is confronted with an
empty configuration, all previous settings are lost.</p>
</blockquote>
That's the riddle. I don't have the faintest idea why the settings
are suddenly gone. It's somewhat difficult to investigate, too, as
tools like procmon don't feel that much at home with situations like
user logout or roaming profiles. But it is still worth a try, having
it monitor the activities on logout or when VirtualBox is started
again.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:FBB6BBACC666694F892E994A40E2714956C07D48@v-ex10mb3.academic.windsor"
type="cite">
<p>It is very frustrating having to create NAT networks and
virtual machines every time the manager is restarted.</p>
</blockquote>
No doubt.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:FBB6BBACC666694F892E994A40E2714956C07D48@v-ex10mb3.academic.windsor"
type="cite">
<p>If a single method was used to return the directory, then I
would expect the behaviour to be different, and the
configuration retained and appear each time the manager is
opened, ie the behaviour the same as when installed on a stand
alone machine. This is not the case, and so there is an issue.</p>
</blockquote>
There is only a single method for determining the location of the
.VirtualBox directory, and it does not depend on environment
variables which are unreliable.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:FBB6BBACC666694F892E994A40E2714956C07D48@v-ex10mb3.academic.windsor"
type="cite">
<p>I would expect this to be an issue for any classroom situation
where roaming profiles are used and separate home drives are
defined - a common configuration.</p>
</blockquote>
No, I don't believe that what you're seeing is a generic roaming
profile issue. Otherwise we'd get complains from a lot more people
out there operating some non-trivial Windows setups.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:FBB6BBACC666694F892E994A40E2714956C07D48@v-ex10mb3.academic.windsor"
type="cite">
<p>I also hope you appreciate Universities introducing and using
Virtual Box in teaching, but we require support.</p>
</blockquote>
We certainly do, otherwise we wouldn't have created the "free ride"
option for educational purposes.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Klaus<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:FBB6BBACC666694F892E994A40E2714956C07D48@v-ex10mb3.academic.windsor"
type="cite">
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Malcolm<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/11/2016 11:02, Klaus Espenlaub
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:b19a3698-a673-21db-3c53-dfd0042998aa@oracle.com"
type="cite">
Malcolm,<br>
<br>
there was a lengthy reply to the mailing list 10 days ago sent
by me, explaining what's going on.<br>
<br>
Your assumption is wrong. VirtualBox on all Windows versions
worth talking about will NOT fall through, it'll use the profile
directory returned by SHGetFolderPath.<br>
<br>
Klaus<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20.11.2016 19:55, Malcolm Clarke
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:FBB6BBACC666694F892E994A40E2714956C06934@v-ex10mb3.academic.windsor"
type="cite">
<p>Dear Max</p>
<p>Still no response.</p>
<p>Looking at path-win.cpp, the following code is unclear</p>
<p><br>
</p>
RTDECL(int) RTPathUserHome(char *pszPath, size_t cchPath)<br>
{<br>
/*<br>
* Validate input<br>
*/<br>
AssertPtrReturn(pszPath, VERR_INVALID_POINTER);<br>
AssertReturn(cchPath, VERR_INVALID_PARAMETER);<br>
<br>
RTUTF16 wszPath[RTPATH_MAX];<br>
bool fValidFolderPath = false;<br>
<br>
/*<br>
* Try with Windows XP+ functionality first.<br>
*/<br>
RTLDRMOD hShell32;<br>
int rc = RTLdrLoadSystem("Shell32.dll", true
/*fNoUnload*/, &hShell32);<br>
if (RT_SUCCESS(rc))<br>
{<br>
PFNSHGETFOLDERPATHW pfnSHGetFolderPathW;<br>
rc = RTLdrGetSymbol(hShell32, "SHGetFolderPathW",
(void**)&pfnSHGetFolderPathW);<br>
if (RT_SUCCESS(rc))<br>
{<br>
HRESULT hrc = pfnSHGetFolderPathW(0,
CSIDL_PROFILE, NULL, SHGFP_TYPE_CURRENT, wszPath);<br>
fValidFolderPath = (hrc == S_OK);<br>
}<br>
RTLdrClose(hShell32);<br>
}<br>
<br>
DWORD dwAttr;<br>
if ( !fValidFolderPath<br>
|| (dwAttr = GetFileAttributesW(&wszPath[0])) ==
INVALID_FILE_ATTRIBUTES<br>
|| !(dwAttr & FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY))<br>
{<br>
/*<br>
* Fall back to Windows specific environment
variables. HOME is not used.<br>
*/<br>
if ( !GetEnvironmentVariableW(L"USERPROFILE",
&wszPath[0], RTPATH_MAX)<br>
|| (dwAttr = GetFileAttributesW(&wszPath[0]))
== INVALID_FILE_ATTRIBUTES<br>
|| !(dwAttr & FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY))<br>
{<br>
/* %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH% */<br>
if (!GetEnvironmentVariableW(L"HOMEDRIVE",
&wszPath[0], RTPATH_MAX))<br>
return VERR_PATH_NOT_FOUND;<br>
size_t const cwc = RTUtf16Len(&wszPath[0]);<br>
if ( !GetEnvironmentVariableW(L"HOMEPATH",
&wszPath[cwc], RTPATH_MAX - (DWORD)cwc)<br>
|| (dwAttr =
GetFileAttributesW(&wszPath[0])) ==
INVALID_FILE_ATTRIBUTES<br>
|| !(dwAttr & FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY))<br>
return VERR_PATH_NOT_FOUND;<br>
}<br>
}<br>
<br>
Assuming this falls through to get the environment variable,
then USERPROFILE is used over %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%, however
in most other places %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH% alone is used. This
appears to result in inconsistent behaviour if USERPROFILE is
not equal to %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%.<br>
<br>
This needs to be remedied for people using roaming profiles
when these environmental variables can be set differently.<br>
<br>
1. %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH% is used for location of configuration
files (create and check location for existence)<br>
2. USERPROFILE may be used for temporary files<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Malcolm<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/11/2016 14:36, Maxime Dor
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:2c9fffa5-0df3-5520-6e7c-25077bc0f27c@kamax.io"
type="cite">
Hi Malcolm,<br>
<br>
While I have extensive knowledge of VBox, I'm not a dev so I
can't really answer that question, only the devs can.<br>
They should answer anytime soon now! If they don't be
tomorrow, just let me know and I'll drop them a note.<br>
<br>
Max<br>
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<b><span style="color:#C0504D">Malcolm Clarke </span></b><span
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<span style="color:#1F497D">HNZW010, Heinz Wolff Building,
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